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. the whole defense he crafted was everybody else was doing it, and they were facilitating it so i did it too. so i don't think he is doing it in the most intelligent way. >> they say everyone is doing it is not an excuse. it is about competition. i said it the other night. if you were a hurdler and they were running by the hurdles and you would not jump over them as well? >> excited to be here. greg, you look a lot taller in person than i thought you would. first of all, i don't really care. it is the tour de france. it is not the tour de america. obviously it is not that important. it is france. they make good frys. other than that the eiffel tower is nice. it is a sport. even if everybody is doping, so what? there are rules. and that's one of the good things about sports is we have rules and we follow the rules. if you don't play by the rules you get out. period. >> well, there is a side where you live in a culture that winning is everything and win at every cost. the reporters that you ever cked him all of these years didn't know a 40-year-old cancer survivor might be cheating. >> where a
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